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Tue-20-05-2014, 14:54 PM
This is the latest info written in the Connextion newspaper last week.

Claim power bill cashback, urge lawyers.
€300 possible as EU rules green subsidy illegal.

Lawyers are urging all electricity users in France - private or business - to claim bill repayments for the last two years. This amounts to several hundred euros for many families.
It comes after the CSPE tax, which forms up to 10% of the average power bill, was rules illegal under EU law by the European Court of Justice (ECI) in December 2013. The tax - Contribution au Service Public d'Electricité - is levied by electricity providers to compensate for the costs of investing in greener power production. This is then paid to the state bank the Caisse des Dépots which then pays much of it back to the power suppliers to invest in alternative energy projects.
ECJ judges rules that this constituted state aid which might unfairly advantage firms in France and was thus against the fair competition rules of the EU marketplace. France should have asked permission from the European Commission before bringing it in.
The ruling was sought by the French Conseil d'Etat (the top administrative court and an official government advisory body) in connection with legal action by the anti-wind turbine pressure group Vent de Colére.
Lawyers told Connextion it means all electricity users have a strong case for reclaiming the tax. They advise people do so quickly before back dated claims are potentially ruled out.
The ECJ rejected France's request that the effect of its ruling should not be retroactive, but Lawyers say the Conseil d'Etat, which has not yet ruled on the matter, may seek to oppose back dated claims so lodging a claim before it rules is advisable.
Claims can be backdated for two years. Lawyer Sandrine Martinet-Beunier, from Clermont-Ferrand, says France is also thought to be trying to present its tax to the European Commission so it can now be seen to have declared it.
Ms Martinet-Beunier told Connextion: "As there has been no decision by the Conseil d'Etat yet, the best thing to do is to ask for a reimbursement of CSPE pais over the last 24 months starting from when you make the request, to the body charged with managing the tax." (see later story)
Business lawyers Lamy-Lexel, based in Paris and Lyon, also advise this, stating that the Conseil d'Etat is bound to follow EU principles in matter of state aid and that "in principle, these rules provide that any non-notified state aid is illegal".
The say that people should put in claims "without waiting for a Conseil d'Etat decision....so as to safeguard their rights.".
Avocat Christian Guichard of Lamy-Lexel said it appears so far this information has been mostly communicated among large (business) users of electricity rather than to the public. No refunds are as yet known to have been made.
The amount of CSPE is itemised on bills so you can check this by consulting your old bills - often these ae stored online at your personal space on the energy suppliers website if you no longer have a paper copy.

How to Claim:To

Lamy-Lexel say claims should be made to :
M. le President.
The Comité de Régulations de L'Energie (CRE),
15 Rue Pasquier,
75379,
Paris.

Your letter should be sent by recorded delivery - lettre recommandée avec accusé de reception (LRAR), with copies of the relevant bills as proof of having paid the tax. It is advisable to keep a copy of documents sent.
Connextion asked EDF to comment on how it intends to deal with requests but it had not replied as we went to press.
This comes as new Energy Minister Ségoléne Royal vetoed the prospect of households having to pay top-up electricity bills of €30-50 after the Conseil d'Etat ruled a price-rise limit set by the Ayrault government in 2012 had not allowed EDF to cover its costs. However, bills will still rise 5% from August as had been planned.
To help readers make a CSPE claim we have placed a sample letter in French at http://www.connexionfrance.com"thumb"
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Tue-20-05-2014, 15:19 PM
But it's a waste of time and the cost of recorded delivery, see the other thread. Money back on electricity bills - shock

I got a reply that basicly said Tough, Admiral has had the same letter.

A registered letter costs almost €5. Worth a go you think but two of us have failed, so I would say wait till you know of someone actually getting something refunded.
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Tue-20-05-2014, 21:09 PM
(Tue-20-05-2014, 15:19 PM)Fred Wrote: But it's a waste of time and the cost of recorded delivery, see the other thread. Money back on electricity bills - shock

I got a reply that basicly said Tough, Admiral has had the same letter.

A registered letter costs almost €5. Worth a go you think but two of us have failed, so I would say wait till you know of someone actually getting something refunded.

That's a fair comment, but I'm not saying you have to claim, just thought I'd give the info out, so IF there was anyone willing or wanting to claim, the info was there. At 180 euros, I was willing to try, better than a poke in the eye with a red hot stick. Plus if no one claims, who get's the money from the illegal tax charged???? either the government, or yet more fat cats! well I would rather it be in my bank account than theirs. It's individual choice I guess. But the warning was, claim beofre they find a loophole to crawl through.
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Tue-20-05-2014, 22:22 PM
(Tue-20-05-2014, 21:09 PM)Willow17 Wrote: That's a fair comment, but I'm not saying you have to claim, just thought I'd give the info out, so IF there was anyone willing or wanting to claim, the info was there. At 180 euros, I was willing to try, better than a poke in the eye with a red hot stick. Plus if no one claims, who get's the money from the illegal tax charged???? either the government, or yet more fat cats! well I would rather it be in my bank account than theirs. It's individual choice I guess. But the warning was, claim beofre they find a loophole to crawl through.

You too have a fair comment, and that's what makes a forum. And I for one appreciate the sharing of information, especially if it involves getting money back from the robbers.

I quickly put my claim in after Admiral had mentioned it, mine was for €195 and thought I wouldn't get a reply for a long time which is usual for France as you know. But getting a reply so quick, and Admiral getting the same letter made me think they were ready and they have all the answers to make it drag on for years. Rolleyes

I wonder if it would be worth us deducting our refunds from our bills? Maybe not all in one go, but €15 a month sounds fair to me for a year. Would they take us to court, if we made a comment on each bill we receive the reason for the deduction?

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Wed-21-05-2014, 08:12 AM
(Tue-20-05-2014, 22:22 PM)Fred Wrote:
(Tue-20-05-2014, 21:09 PM)Willow17 Wrote: That's a fair comment, but I'm not saying you have to claim, just thought I'd give the info out, so IF there was anyone willing or wanting to claim, the info was there. At 180 euros, I was willing to try, better than a poke in the eye with a red hot stick. Plus if no one claims, who get's the money from the illegal tax charged???? either the government, or yet more fat cats! well I would rather it be in my bank account than theirs. It's individual choice I guess. But the warning was, claim beofre they find a loophole to crawl through.

You too have a fair comment, and that's what makes a forum. And I for one appreciate the sharing of information, especially if it involves getting money back from the robbers.

I quickly put my claim in after Admiral had mentioned it, mine was for €195 and thought I wouldn't get a reply for a long time which is usual for France as you know. But getting a reply so quick, and Admiral getting the same letter made me think they were ready and they have all the answers to make it drag on for years. Rolleyes

I wonder if it would be worth us deducting our refunds from our bills? Maybe not all in one go, but €15 a month sounds fair to me for a year. Would they take us to court, if we made a comment on each bill we receive the reason for the deduction?

france

I don't know about your latter suggestion, but going by the comments made by the Lawyers, Businesses are getting in first, and then what ever is left over in the pot will be for the rest of us, IF they don't stop it by then, so I would suggest IF anyone has any plans on claiming this refund, they do it before they go back to court to have decision reversed. I'll be doing mine tomorrow. If it costs me 5euors and I get 180+ back, then I won't complain.....IF it costs me 5 euros and I don't get a refund, well I've tried. Perhaps we should get everyone together and send them in bulk, numbering each one, and all fastened so NONE get lost!!! MORE IMPACT. I told all my French neighbours, some of which have since spoken to me about the standard reply letter we have all had. One said yesterday, "If you get anything back let me know and then I'll send my letter in" They have had the info, what they choose to do with it is up to them, but I won't be going back and forth with info, if they are not willing to move themselves, that's their look out. Rant over, off to work now.
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Mon-26-05-2014, 10:41 AM
Thanks for that info Willow.

Some interesting points made between you and Fred. I'm not sure I've got the nerve or the patience to follow Fred on his suggestion of witholding a token amount per bill. But I like the sound of it.

Anyway, here goes....I am now rolling up my sleeves and preparing to enter the ring for round two.Wall
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Sat-21-06-2014, 09:15 AM
Interestingly I have just had the latest electricity bill from Soregies and the CSPE is still on there! I'm guessing they will keep adding it to the bill until there is a court decision.

Question - has anyone had a reply using normal mail ratgher than the five Euro route?

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Sat-21-06-2014, 12:07 PM
(Sat-21-06-2014, 09:15 AM)chris_and_julie Wrote: Interestingly I have just had the latest electricity bill from Soregies and the CSPE is still on there! I'm guessing they will keep adding it to the bill until there is a court decision.

Yes it's on mine too, I have the impression it will stay and they will work a way around it.


(Sat-21-06-2014, 09:15 AM)chris_and_julie Wrote: Question - has anyone had a reply using normal mail ratgher than the five Euro route?

Chris

I sent one via the expensive way and got a quick answer that basicly said "Tough" I can't see the point in sending any more myself. As for sending it normal mail, you probably wouldn't get an answer. They like everything official and by sending it recorded they have to answer you, (even if it is to say nothing of interest) But at least by doing it recorded you will have some evidence, should they decide in twenty years time we are do a refund.

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Wed-29-10-2014, 12:49 PM
Just an update on this. One that won't surprise anyone who has lived in France for a while.Rules

I had an acknowledgment of my LRAR (this is me following the Willow method. See above.)

Since then nothing. Zero. Zilch. I could have sent them an empty envelope via registered post but they are legally obliged to confirm receipt. You get the picture.

I thought I'd got used to life in France but this saga dates back to May and we're now at the end of October. Wall

In the meantime, anyone got anything positive, like cash, out of this sorry state of affairs?
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Fri-31-10-2014, 10:41 AM
(Wed-29-10-2014, 12:49 PM)Admiral Wrote: In the meantime, anyone got anything positive, like cash, out of this sorry state of affairs?

Nope I gave up after the first attempt when they came back and said "Hard Luck", and decided at €5 a throw for the letters all I'm doing is feeding La Poste.

Now there's a theory, maybe they put the idea around.

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