Travel plans..??

[Admiral]

Now, here's probably an impossible question to answer but.....in your opinion when will France be safe enough to open for travel again?

I only ask because we have a house and garden outside Monty sitting there doing nothing, weeds runnng riot etc and costing us money.

I thought picking the brains of the front line troops with their boots on the ground might bring more answers than Bumbling Boris or Little Emmanuel Bonaparte as to the real situation of when we can get to France and how you see things evolving in the coming months.

From a UK point of view I can't see these so-called Vaccine Passports working if we can't travel to a high Covid rate country.  Apart from the fact they are just a back door method to a national ID card.  Which is a very bad thing.  In the words of the song; "If you tolerate this then your children will be next."


There.  That was a cheery post wasn't it.  Not.  

[Fred]

I'm with you on the vaccine passport idea, it's just another way of knowing what we are all doing. Plus some people may not want to have the vaccine.

As for travel, I don't know. It's been over a year now and I don't think any country has a clue themselves. I think we will see see more strains coming and I predict more lockdowns happening once everyone goes on holiday.

Sorry not much help, but at least the forum is getting used.

[Brian]

Technically you could probably come to France now as house-owners with a titre de sejour.

Travelling in a private car via the Channel Tunnel and buying fuel using pay-at-pump means the journey itself is very safe.

Although France, in general, is a Covid disaster area, the big conurbations are having the worst of it. Nouvelle-Aquitaine is getting off pretty likely and nearly all of the people I have seen when doing my weekly shop in Montmorillon seem to adhere to the distancing/mask-wearing guidelines.

But when will travel from the UK to France be routine? Who knows?

The best guess I've read in French papers is possibly as early as July, possibly as late as October. Frankly, I don;t think anyone has a clue...

Brian

[Steve]

Now, here's probably an impossible question to answer but.....in your opinion when will France be safe enough to open for travel again?

I only ask because we have a house and garden outside Monty sitting there doing nothing, weeds runnng riot etc and costing us money.

I thought picking the brains of the front line troops with their boots on the ground might bring more answers than Bumbling Boris or Little Emmanuel Bonaparte as to the real situation of when we can get to France and how you see things evolving in the coming months.

From a UK point of view I can't see these so-called Vaccine Passports working if we can't travel to a high Covid rate country.  Apart from the fact they are just a back door method to a national ID card.  Which is a very bad thing.  In the words of the song; "If you tolerate this then your children will be next."


There.  That was a cheery post wasn't it.  Not.  

I'd not be so keen on coming out here calling Manu a "Bonaparte" - wouldn't go down so well.
What's wrong with ID cards?
EU are working on a C19 "passport" but it'll only be for EU and Schengen members

As for the weeds, there are plenty of local jardiniers that would be pleased to take on the job.

[Clubby]

Now, here's probably an impossible question to answer but.....in your opinion when will France be safe enough to open for travel again?

I only ask because we have a house and garden outside Monty sitting there doing nothing, weeds runnng riot etc and costing us money.

I thought picking the brains of the front line troops with their boots on the ground might bring more answers than Bumbling Boris or Little Emmanuel Bonaparte as to the real situation of when we can get to France and how you see things evolving in the coming months.

From a UK point of view I can't see these so-called Vaccine Passports working if we can't travel to a high Covid rate country.  Apart from the fact they are just a back door method to a national ID card.  Which is a very bad thing.  In the words of the song; "If you tolerate this then your children will be next."


There.  That was a cheery post wasn't it.  Not.  

We're in the same position.
I don't agree with a vaccine passport and if that was implemented I would just not travel. However, I think it's more likely we'll be required to test before travelling to France, which would be more acceptable.
We're hoping to be over sometime in June/July, finger crossed.
As Brian has said, if you travel by car and through the tunnel it's pretty safe. I can't see the French missing out on all that tourism money. They know darn well, in the UK at any rate, trying to enforce anything too strict over the summer is not going to work - people want to and will go outside. They'll relax things, make it look like it was their idea and not people ignoring their tyranny!!!
I do NOT tolerate this and my child will NOT be next.
If that means my house in France falls to rack and ruin, so be it.

An ID card is one thing. A report of one's vaccination status to travel or access basic services is entirely another thing.
People should not be coerced into vaccination, especially for a disease which has a 99% recovery rate. We have a right to choose medical treatment, there should not be conditions attached. We should not be left with no choice and excluded from society because we do not consent to be vaccinated. Also, if the vaccine does not stop you from contracting and transmitting the disease, what purpose does it serve and what is the point then of the vaccine passport?

Phew, I feel better. No doubt some of you will not agree with me.

This is not an easy time, I don't say these things lightly. I would love to come to France this year and be with like minded family members, enjoy the food, drink and countryside. But, there are somethings I will not tolerate.

[Admiral]

I'd not be so keen on coming out here calling Manu a "Bonaparte" - wouldn't go down so well.
What's wrong with ID cards?
EU are working on a C19 "passport" but it'll only be for EU and Schengen members

As for the weeds, there are plenty of local jardiniers that would be pleased to take on the job.

Steve my Bonaparte jibe is, sadly, not my original idea.  I've picked it up from the French press and commentators on France24 in the last couple of months. He is obviously not popular.  I didn't mean any offence to France in general or the French people in particular.  Lovely country, lovely people.

There is everything wrong with ID cards.  The state has control over individuals, knows where they are, what they are doing etc.

I'm more than happy for the EU to work on a C19 passport whatever that entails and as long as they keep it to themselves.  Knowing the EU they will spend years going through various committees and then forget what the purpose was in the first place.  

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[Trouble and strife]

We feel your frustration Admiral we love to be out there but it seems every time we make plans one side or other changes the rules. Thinking of going down to Dover and smuggling myself in on a dinghy. 

[Brian]

Thinking of going down to Dover and smuggling myself in on a dinghy. 

Keep an eye open for Farage and Pritel...

[Steve]

I'd not be so keen on coming out here calling Manu a "Bonaparte" - wouldn't go down so well.
What's wrong with ID cards?
EU are working on a C19 "passport" but it'll only be for EU and Schengen members

As for the weeds, there are plenty of local jardiniers that would be pleased to take on the job.

Steve my Bonaparte jibe is, sadly, not my original idea.  I've picked it up from the French press and commentators on France24 in the last couple of months. He is obviously not popular.  I didn't mean any offence to France in general or the French people in particular.  Lovely country, lovely people.

There is everything wrong with ID cards.  The state has control over individuals, knows where they are, what they are doing etc.

I'm more than happy for the EU to work on a C19 passport whatever that entails and as long as they keep it to themselves.  Knowing the EU they will spend years going through various committees and then forget what the purpose was in the first place.  

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I never really understand the problem with ID cards - having had a total of 7 different ones in my time (two of which I still possess) they have a lot more benefits than problems caused/associated with them. When you're over here do you have an EHIC (or GHIC as is now) card, should you use that the UK gov would then know where you are. Got a modern driving licence, same applies there.

[Trouble and strife]

Does the latest lockdown in France have a specific end date ?